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What would a new manager do differently?

pablo_p

TEF Member
Obviously the talk is all about binning Silva; but let's say it does happen now, what does a new manager do with this squad?

Personally, I think it's minor tweaks. 4-3-3 with a midfield of Delph, Gomes and Sigurdsson.

Pickford
Coleman - Keane - Mina - Digne
Delph - - - Gomes
Sigurdsson
Iwobi - - - Richarlison - - - Bernard
To get Kean his minutes I'd swap him for Delph or Sigurdsson and push Sigurdsson deeper or Richarlison to LW w/Bernard AM in both scenarios.

We've too much quality to be struggling the way we are so I do find the whole thing baffling; but I'm struggling to see what a manager could do differently with these players.

Thoughts?
 

liquidfootball2

TEF Member
New managers usually have their own ideas but the squad can't change dramatically and the same players and the same weakest points will still be there.

6 managers in recent memory, all long vilified before they went, a sacking club who have won nothing for 24 years, they'll be queuing all over Europe to take over at Goodison.

Any proven managers of decent calibre might not even answer the phone to enquiries, any that do will only be interested in their bank balance. If we get someone, anyone, how long before we do the same to them too. Changing the manager nearly always isn't the solution here.

Its rinse and repeat if we get another manager no matter what he does.
 

_blue_balls

TEF Member
Obviously the talk is all about binning Silva; but let's say it does happen now, what does a new manager do with this squad?

Personally, I think it's minor tweaks. 4-3-3 with a midfield of Delph, Gomes and Sigurdsson.

Pickford
Coleman - Keane - Mina - Digne
Delph - - - Gomes
Sigurdsson
Iwobi - - - Richarlison - - - Bernard
To get Kean his minutes I'd swap him for Delph or Sigurdsson and push Sigurdsson deeper or Richarlison to LW w/Bernard AM in both scenarios.

We've too much quality to be struggling the way we are so I do find the whole thing baffling; but I'm struggling to see what a manager could do differently with these players.

Thoughts?
Id consider the same 11 but id have it closer to a 442/4411. To get the best out of Sigurdsson id play him off the striker, any deeper and hes just not effective.
 

Reidsxgray

TEF Member
Unfortunately Sigurdsson has entered the twilight of his career. For whatever reason certain players can play well into their 30s effectively, however others hit 30 and hit a wall. Gylfi was never blessed with pace but he has been getting slower for the last 12 months. It’s similar to Rooney in that their football brain is still sharp but their bodies can’t keep up with it and in the premier league it is magnified. Next stop the MLS Sig
 

pablo_p

TEF Member
New managers usually have their own ideas but the squad can't change dramatically and the same players and the same weakest points will still be there.

6 managers in recent memory, all long vilified before they went, a sacking club who have won nothing for 24 years, they'll be queuing all over Europe to take over at Goodison.

Any proven managers of decent calibre might not even answer the phone to enquiries, any that do will only be interested in their bank balance. If we get someone, anyone, how long before we do the same to them too. Changing the manager nearly always isn't the solution here.

Its rinse and repeat if we get another manager no matter what he does.
Exactly right, mate.

The name which keeps being bandied about is Mourinho, but it's not happening. We don't have the financial clout and we still need to shift a load of shit off the books.

If we get rid (and I think we will if we lose against West Ham) then I worry who do we get in.
 

liquidfootball2

TEF Member
We'll be desperate for a relegation specialist if we sack him with noone lined up, as I can't see anyone jumping through hoops to come here unless we offer megabucks and their main interest is money.

Since Sam is toxic it could even be Moyes back to do a job.
 

pablo_p

TEF Member
We'll be desperate for a relegation specialist if we sack him with noone lined up, as I can't see anyone jumping through hoops to come here unless we offer megabucks and they're main interest is money.

Since Sam is toxic it could even be Moyes back to do a job.
I'll be done with us of we get Moyes or Allardyce back in.

Distinct lack of ambition all round going back for either of them.
 

liquidfootball2

TEF Member
I'll be done with us of we get Moyes or Allardyce back in.

Distinct lack of ambition all round going back for either of them.
Agreed but he has form for looking short term and avoiding relegation by any means even if highly unpopular.

I would see big Sam as absolutely no chance but other so called specialists..Moshiri has form and it's his money and his fears (or panic even if the panic not shared by everyone)
 
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kev1

TEF Mortgage Broker - Mr. U-Turn - Reality TV buff
We are not going down and don’t need a relegation expert. We were In deep shit with Koeman but this isn’t the same. A decent manger would get much more out of these players.
 

pablo

TEF Member
The middle of the park is killing us with Schneiderlin and Siguardson, we are also leaking goals. It's obvious to me to bring in a forward playing midfielder with some energy, Gomes or Davies but another manager will probably see it the same as all our managers and maybe just go 3 at the back but keep the middle.
 

Dario Terracotta

TEF Member
Practice defending set piece with man marking....not use such a high press against opposition likely to score on the break.. not rely on DCL as a targetman (he isn't), not expect some 19 year old kid bought for silly money, and who's never scored in the prem to bail you out... when players fail to perform don't expect them to miraculously start making an effort, try someone else in that position..
 

boris

TEF Member
Hopefully fuck off the shite 4-2-3-1 formation we've been playing and failing with for the past 6 years.
This for me....I'd go back to 2 centre forwards playing off each other again but proper forwards, not Sigurdsson.

Right now the centre forward is completely isolated, the from 3 don't interchange and work as a unit and the wide players are too far away to do any damage.
 

bluerinse

Moderator
Whether it's a new manager or it's Marco Silva, there are basically 2 things they need to achieve...

1. They need to get us scoring goals. 6 in 8 games so far and 3 of those came in one match!

2. They need to sort out the defensive set plays. We've conceded 13 goals and nigh on half of them (6) are from set plays.

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To try and improve the goals situation, there are 3 obvious things to try; change the system, change the tempo and change the attacking players.

We can all pick and choose which players we think should play and in which formation, but I think we're all in agreement that this current set-up isn't working and if Silva continues to persist with it, he's basically just making a rod for his own back.

Whatever shape we go with, I think we've got to get the players who slow us down out of the side and bring in footballers who want to move the ball quickly. Top of the slow list as I see it are Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson, so they'd be the first on the chopping block for me.

Set play wise, I don't think it's a zonal marking issue, more an issue with concentration and individual mistakes.

I also think we should be doing a lot better with attacking set plays. We've always got a million corners under this manager and it's never quite felt like we've done enough with them, considering the tools we should have at our disposal... Digne, Sigurdsson, Mina, Keane, DCL etc
 

TylerDurden

Filthy piece of toe-rag
4-3-3

Pickford
Sidibe Keane Mina Digne
Gbamin Delph Gomes
Iwobi Richarlison Kean
Gbamin is injured for fuck sake. Fancy blaming Silva for not playing an injured player. We lost our most important player in Gueye, his replacement has barely played and that's somehow Silva's fault?

You people are insane
 

McLovin

Super Love Islander that holds the place together
Gbamin is injured for fuck sake. Fancy blaming Silva for not playing an injured player. We lost our most important player in Gueye, his replacement has barely played and that's somehow Silva's fault?

You people are insane
Can you show me where I’ve said Silva should play an injured player??

If gbamin was fit Silva would play him on his stagnated 4231 instead of Schneiderlin .

I’m merely suggesting a different formation
 

TylerDurden

Filthy piece of toe-rag
Can you show me where I’ve said Silva should play an injured player??

If gbamin was fit Silva would play him on his stagnated 4231 instead of Schneiderlin .

I’m merely suggesting a different formation
I'll forward it on to Marco mate, i'm sure he's not thought of that
 

DwightSchrute

TEF Member
I'd take a management duo of Allardyce and the corpse of Walter Smith that Big Sam is holding up Weekend at Bernies style, if it meant dropping one or more of: Schneiderlin, Sig, Iwobi, DCL. Its not like we're in an injury crisis, only first team player missing Gbamin.

Now Gomes is back he can take Schneiderlin's place, Bernard can play in either Sig or Iwobi position and Richarlison can occupy the other. DCL swapped for Kean or trying both upfront.

Or even just a formation change that he's too stubborn to try, 2 holding mids, Sig at no.10 doing nothing and DCL with zero support who spends the game just winning headers is shit and going to get us nowhere. We've spend £100 mil on this shit ffs, and God knows how much over the last 5 seasons. Only two teams scored less than us.

Edit: Honestly thought Walter Smith was dead, Roger Moore will be spinning in his grave
 

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