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Management Marco Silva - Sacked!!

When will Marco Silva be sacked?

  • Before Chelsea

    Votes: 29 85.3%
  • In a few weeks when fixtures improve

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • Won't get sacked

    Votes: 3 8.8%

  • Total voters
    34

MartSlinger

Love Islander

Watford putting up a fight in public is to be expected.

What is going on behind the scenes could be very different to the front they're putting up.

Was about to say that. Standard practice.

The fact that this £8.5m offer of compo has leaked tells me they've put it out there and want more money.
 

Davo

TEF Member
Doubt maybe creeping in on what Sky are saying here or that Watford spokesman has said but Paul Joyce said "Silva has got the job" That will do for me.

How many times has Joyce been wrong ?
 

AndersLimpar

TEF Member
Joyce in the Times now:

There was a time not so long ago when Farhad Moshiri, Everton’s major shareholder, remained relatively anonymous and could simply sit back with his business associate Alisher Usmanov and pick apart Stan Kroenke’s running of Arsenal. How they must miss those days now.

This year, the pantomime season has come early for Everton. The club’s search for a new manager - a search being headed by Moshiri - is creating even more mess at a club that spent £140 million last summer only to find themselves sixth from bottom in the Premier League.

To recap, Ronald Koeman was sacked on October 23 after a two-month downturn in results in which Everton won only two matches. David Unsworth was put in charge (losing three games and winning one) until the international break, when Everton were expected to roll out the masterplan to restabilise the club.

It has become obvious, however, that when Koeman was dismissed there was no clear succession plan. The timing of Koeman’s sacking was especially ironic given that it came after a 5-2 defeat by Arsenal, the club in which Moshiri sold his shares in 2016 and bought a 49.9 per cent stake in Everton because he wanted more of a say in the running of a Premier League club.

It seems there is no coherent, joined-up strategy. So far there has been a meeting with Sam Allardyce, a courtship of Diego Simeone with a view to a summer appointment and, belatedly yesterday, a pile of money waved at Watford in the hope that they would release Marco Silva and take on the problem of finding a manager themselves. Predictably, they said no.

Silva has come round to the idea of moving to Goodison Park — just as Koeman was persuaded by Moshiri’s millions to quit Southampton in the summer of 2016 — having initially not wanted to appear disloyal and walk out on Watford after only 11 matches.

That will give Everton encouragement but, equally, Moshiri’s compensation package of about £8.5 million was hardly likely to turn heads at Watford, who cleverly did not allow Silva a break clause in his contract.

Even in the modern game, where clubs happily pay tens of millions for players but try to secure managers on the cheap, the maths did not add up.

If Silva is as good as Everton think, and don’t forget that Unsworth’s sole victory involved coming from 2-0 down to win 3-2 against Watford, then he is the difference between staying in the top flight or not. That difference is worth in the region of £100 million and in that context, Everton’s offer can hardly be described as enticing.

That said, it also feels like the beginning of the end for Silva at Watford and perhaps it is a matter of when, and to where, he eventually moves. The Portuguese has shown that he views the club as a stepping stone and that in itself could have ramifications for their season given that early momentum has been stalled by three successive defeats.

In the meantime, Allardyce — whose presence as a candidate has polarised opinion — has grown frustrated at the lack of progress, while Burnley’s Sean Dyche knows he is at least fourth choice if the wheel of fortune ever comes spinning back in his direction.

As for the Atletico Madrid coach Simeone, goodness knows what he is thinking, but the internet spoofs that have circulated since his name was mentioned may offer a gauge.

It is hard not to feel sympathy for Unsworth, who stepped into the breach and continues to take training daily while unsure if he will be in charge for Saturday’s game at Crystal Palace — a match which feels crucial at the lower end of the table.

His hand has been weakened further by the way Everton have gone about their business and yet he could be asked to rouse a set of players who know that he is not the club’s preferred permanent manager.

Kevin Mirallas and Morgan Schneiderlin have already chosen to walk off the training pitch when challenged by the interim backroom staff over a perceived lack of effort rather than display the humility required to drag the club out of the mire.

Unless Silva agitates and Watford cave in — and there is no sign of the latter — Everton, increasingly, appear to have two options: go cap in hand to Allardyce, massage his ego and offer him a big bonus if he keeps them up, or back Unsworth.

Whatever way Moshiri goes, it is time for some clarity of thought.
 

AndersLimpar

TEF Member
Couple of things - does anyone know what the largest amount of compensation has been paid by a club for a manager?... and can anyone think of a time a bigger club came calling for a manager and the smaller club successfully saw them off?
 

bluerinse

Moderator
Couple of things - does anyone know what the largest amount of compensation has been paid by a club for a manager?... and can anyone think of a time a bigger club came calling for a manager and the smaller club successfully saw them off?

I thought it was a bit of a cheap shot by Joyce to baulk at £8.5m compensation.

I get the point that players cost more and a manager is often more important but like you say, when has that ever been topped. I can't think of a time.

As for the other point, I think a few clubs came in for Moyes during his tenure here - Villa and Spurs if memory serves, but I believe they're of a similar size to us or certainly not comparable with Everton and Watford.
 

toffee_boy_andy

Love Islander
Joyce goes on about poor, undervalued, undermined Unsworth. But you can be sure he wont give a shit how he retains the job, as long as he does.

Worrying how close we came to getting Allardyce. And it sounds from the Joyce piece that we may soon feel no option other than to cave in to his demands for a longer contract.
 

AndersLimpar

TEF Member
I thought it was a bit of a cheap shot by Joyce to baulk at £8.5m compensation.

I get the point that players cost more and a manager is often more important but like you say, when has that ever been topped. I can't think of a time.

As for the other point, I think a few clubs came in for Moyes during his tenure here - Villa and Spurs if memory serves, but I believe they're of a similar size to us or certainly not comparable with Everton and Watford.

I think AVB going from Porto to Chelsea may be the most at 13.3 million...

Money for transfers though has gone bonkers since then. 8.5 million would be less than they paid us for Cleverly.

It's s tough one as what figure does it have to get to, to be too high for Watford to turn down? If premier league safely is worth 100million - then it's going to be a fair bit.

Having said all that though - and this goes back to my second point - if a manager wants to go - he will. I guess this is why they are worth far less in fees than players.
 

Andycm81

TEF Member
I think AVB going from Porto to Chelsea may be the most at 13.3 million...

Money for transfers though has gone bonkers since then. 8.5 million would be less than they paid us for Cleverly.

It's s tough one as what figure does it have to get to, to be too high for Watford to turn down? If premier league safely is worth 100million - then it's going to be a fair bit.

Having said all that though - and this goes back to my second point - if a manager wants to go - he will. I guess this is why they are worth far less in fees than players.

Much easier for a manager to walk out on his club, if we then hired him, we would surely only have to pay the balance of his remaining contract when he left as compo via a tribunal. I can't imagine he's on that much money, especially with only 18 months left on his deal too.
 

toffee_boy_andy

Love Islander
This is gonna be as drawn out as the Sigurdsson transfer. Weeks of press conferences with neither side able to confirm anything, everyone losing the will to live, and we'll probably still end up paying a fortune if/when we eventually get there.

We must be the shittest club in the league at actually getting things done.
 

BlueBen

TEF Member
Well I guess that's that, teams never knock back offers to end up accepting a better offer as if it's a negotiation or something.
 

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