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Set plays

#1
We have had 96 corners in our 15 Premier League matches so far this season which is the 2nd most out of all the teams in the league.

Yet, I personally think we are absolute bollocks at taking them (I know our goal came from 1 last night, but that was more by luck than anything imo).

It seems we always have Digne or Sigurdsson just hitting the same outswinger into an area and hoping for the best. Sometimes they hit the first man, sometimes the keeper claims them and more often than not it's not a blue head winning it. We never seem to get accurate headers off at goal despite having some good aerial targets in Mina, Keane, Zouma, DCL and Cenk.

Seeing as we struggle to score enough goals as it is, yet win so many - corners are surely one thing we should be focusing on as they're a way of turning these tight games into wins.

Free kicks, too. We often win 4 or 5 around the box per game and aside from Mina in the derby, I can't recall us having a good headed chance (and forget about shots on target from them).

We lack variety; we don't do blocking routines, we don't play them short to mix up the angles or anything like that - which is odd because at the start of the season I thought our setplays were good.

Am I the only one frustrated with our set pieces?
 

MLWEFC

TEF Member
#3
Zouma and Mina came very close to connecting with a few last night. One day we're going to bloody score one. One sweet day.
 
#5
We have had 96 corners in our 15 Premier League matches so far this season which is the 2nd most out of all the teams in the league.

Yet, I personally think we are absolute bollocks at taking them (I know our goal came from 1 last night, but that was more by luck than anything imo).

It seems we always have Digne or Sigurdsson just hitting the same outswinger into an area and hoping for the best. Sometimes they hit the first man, sometimes the keeper claims them and more often than not it's not a blue head winning it. We never seem to get accurate headers off at goal despite having some good aerial targets in Mina, Keane, Zouma, DCL and Cenk.

Seeing as we struggle to score enough goals as it is, yet win so many - corners are surely one thing we should be focusing on as they're a way of turning these tight games into wins.

Free kicks, too. We often win 4 or 5 around the box per game and aside from Mina in the derby, I can't recall us having a good headed chance (and forget about shots on target from them).

We lack variety; we don't do blocking routines, we don't play them short to mix up the angles or anything like that - which is odd because at the start of the season I thought our setplays were good.

Am I the only one frustrated with our set pieces?
No but then again we have been rubbish at taking corners for years
 

pablo_p

TEF Member
#6
Always seems to be the 'opposite-footed player' taking them, if you get me?

IE - the Right footer on the keeper's Left/our Right side.

Appreciate the idea behind out-swingers to draw the keeper out etc. But we just seem to fizz them to the nearest man regardless of what kit he's wearing.

What annoys me the most is we've been this way for year. Also, though, we looked like we'd been practicing set pieces at the beginning of the season. You'd think with the likes of Mina and Keane we'd have something up our sleeves.

We'd be better coming short for them and drawing defenders out more than the keeper, IMO.
 

jimbo

TEF Member
#8
Silva has clearly spent time working on them defensively as it's very different now to the start of the season.

Once embedded I think they'll work a bit more on the attacking element.
 

Dixie

Elite Member
#9
Its annoying but season after season I don't think the teams vary wildly in success.

Crossing has always been a low rate of success, especially from corners. I remember even teams like Bolton who were supposed experts only scored a handful more goals than the rest.

Thought Lookman had the better corners against Newcastle too. Sigurdsson and Digne were awful.
 
#10
I think my main issue with them is it's the same one every time, out-swinging into an area, hoping we get a head on it. We don't even do inswingers and rush bodies near post infront of the keeper (a corner we conceded a few from at the start of the season).

Personally, I wouldn't mind us taking them short then working them in from a different angle - just to give defenders something to different to think about.

Variety is the way to go in my opinion.
 
#11
Non of our players seem to attack the ball. They just wait and hope it hits their head
 

Gilroy

TEF Member
#13
I think my main issue with them is it's the same one every time, out-swinging into an area, hoping we get a head on it. We don't even do inswingers and rush bodies near post infront of the keeper (a corner we conceded a few from at the start of the season).

Personally, I wouldn't mind us taking them short then working them in from a different angle - just to give defenders something to different to think about.

Variety is the way to go in my opinion.
The main problem for me too. No variation, far too predictable. Some teams have specialist coaches for set pieces, we might want to consider that.
 

T1878

TEF Member
#14
I'd be interested to see how many goals each Prem team actually scores per season from corners. You speak to most fans and they all seem to think their respective team are shite at them.
 
#15
I'd be interested to see how many goals each Prem team actually scores per season from corners. You speak to most fans and they all seem to think their respective team are shite at them.
Just looking very quickly, here are the figures for last season...

dead ball goal stats 17/18

corners taken by team in 17/18

Glancing over those numbers, it's actually 2 relegated sides that stand out for me; Swansea and Stoke.

Swansea scored 8 goals from their 150 corners - 18.75 corners for every goal scored.

Stoke scored 7 goals from their 136 corners - 19/4 corners for every goal scored.

Looking at the top 6, to see how they did as a group -

City, Liverpool, Spurs, United, Arsenal and Chelsea managed 38 corner goals between them, having taken 1435 corners - meaning 1 goal every 37.8 corners.

Best dead ball side of last season's top 6 were Arsenal, with 9 goals from 225 corners, meaning 1 goal for every 25 corners (they also scored 6 goals from non-direct FKs).

As for us under Koeman/Unsworth/Allardyce - we scored 2 goals from our 150 corners !

So basically we've been bollocks at corners for some time.
 

Dixie

Elite Member
#16
I remember one season West Brom scoring 15 from corners.

We are fucking abysmal it seems. Be better off passing it back to the defence and starting again.
 

MLWEFC

TEF Member
#17
We were bollocks at corners under Roberto. Remember it being a running joke and then we eventually scored one.

I suppose football is just being played in the air less and less.
 
#18
I'd be interested to see how many goals each Prem team actually scores per season from corners. You speak to most fans and they all seem to think their respective team are shite at them.
According to the book The Numbers Game corners are virtually worthless. Their analysis showed that a corner was worth 0.022 goals, or to put it another way, the average Premier League team scores from a corner once every ten games on average. When you combine it with the fact that "sending the big men forward" leaves you vulnerable to a goal on the counter attack, then it's baffling why English football fans celebrate the award of a corner almost like a goal itself.
 
#19
According to the book The Numbers Game corners are virtually worthless. Their analysis showed that a corner was worth 0.022 goals, or to put it another way, the average Premier League team scores from a corner once every ten games on average. When you combine it with the fact that "sending the big men forward" leaves you vulnerable to a goal on the counter attack, then it's baffling why English football fans celebrate the award of a corner almost like a goal itself.
I just had a flashback of Sunday reading this.

Why not just help it over, why?!
 
#20
According to the book The Numbers Game corners are virtually worthless. Their analysis showed that a corner was worth 0.022 goals, or to put it another way, the average Premier League team scores from a corner once every ten games on average. When you combine it with the fact that "sending the big men forward" leaves you vulnerable to a goal on the counter attack, then it's baffling why English football fans celebrate the award of a corner almost like a goal itself.
That number shoots up, however, if the opposing defenders don't practice defending corners in training.

 

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